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Gotcha70 schreef op 11 februari 2022 21:42:

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Is dat niet waar ik al een tijdje voor waarschuw????

En je mag er 100% zeker van zijn. De dreiging is reëel . Poetin heeft geen keuze. Niets doen is zwaar gezichtsverlies. Van de Navo moet hij geen schrik hebben. Die zal toch niets doen. Biden wil geen wereldoorlog riskeren en de Europeanen doen bij het eerste schot al direct een pamper aan.
Gotcha70, dat is ook zeker waar
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wins schreef op 11 februari 2022 20:26:

Lijkt erop dat we maandag gewoon groen gaan openen
Haha, ja en dinsdag is de Elfstedentocht
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Dutchess41 schreef op 11 februari 2022 21:13:

Ik denk nog steeds dat Poetin zich die oorlog niet kan permitteren. De economische sancties op een toch al wankelende economie zullen voor het land desastreuze gevolgen hebben en het failliet van Rusland betekenen. Hij zou wel gek zijn als hij dat zou riskeren. Aan de andere kant…..misschien is hij dat ook wel.
Wankele economie ????????????

Tel die biljoenen aan exportinkomsten van o a hun iron, gas, olie, kolen, hout en graan eens op.
Komt niet van hun hoogwaardige industrie vandaan.
Want wat stelt die eigenlijk voor.
Oh ja, die wapenindustrie.
Een Lada, Wolga, waar heb jij die hier zien rijden?
Jarenlang zijn er biljoenen betaald door het Westen (nu ook steeds meer door China) aan Rusland voor hun grondstoffen.
In feite hebben zij zo een levensgevaarlijk en gigantisch oorlogsapparaat kunnen opbouwen dat WIJZELF hebben BEKOSTIGD!!!
En dat alles betaald aan een bedreigend dictatoriaal land.
Dat het Westen nu loopt te piepen is lachwekkend. Zeg maar gewoon

Mea maxima culpa!
Hopper58
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Volgens mij wordt de oorlogsdreiging nu ook opgeklopt door USA en UK omdat de steun voor hun regeringen zeer laag staat en een buitenlandse dreiging dan als welgekomen komt.

Hetzelfde geldt natuurlijk ook voor Rusland, maar dat wordt hier wel gezien.

Wat hier zeer weinig belicht wordt zijn de niet nagekomen beloften aan Rusland voor gedeelteijke zelfbeschikking van Oost-Oekraïne zoals in het vredesakkoord afgesproken was.
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Dduck schreef op 12 februari 2022 00:34:

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Wankele economie ????????????

Tel die biljoenen aan exportinkomsten van o a hun iron, gas, olie, kolen, hout en graan eens op.
Komt niet van hun hoogwaardige industrie vandaan.
Want wat stelt die eigenlijk voor.
Oh ja, die wapenindustrie.
Een Lada, Wolga, waar heb jij die hier zien rijden?
Jarenlang zijn er biljoenen betaald door het Westen (nu ook steeds meer door China) aan Rusland voor hun grondstoffen.
In feite hebben zij zo een levensgevaarlijk en gigantisch oorlogsapparaat kunnen opbouwen dat WIJZELF hebben BEKOSTIGD!!!
En dat alles betaald aan een bedreigend dictatoriaal land.
Dat het Westen nu loopt te piepen is lachwekkend. Zeg maar gewoon

Mea maxima culpa!

Ik ga een heel eind met je mee Dduck, maar ik voeg daar wel aan toe dat hun krijgsmacht al lang niet meer zo omvangrijk is als 20 jaar terug, en wel behoorlijk verouderd. Rusland zit midden in een omvorming van alle krijgsmachtdelen, waarbij lucht en landmacht zwaar achterlopen op de marine.
Blijft wel dat Rusland een heel groot land is, wat vanwege de enorme grensen Defensie extra belangrijk vindt en nog steeds een formidale tegenstander is. De belangen strekken zich echter niet verder uit dan regionaal. Men wil een bufffer naar de NAVO, en voorkomen dat Oekraine toetreedt tot alliantie. Alls er een conflict komt, dan lijkt het meest aannnemelijk dat de oostelijke provincies worden bezet, waaardoor de rest van Oekraine buffer blijft.
Conflict in welke vorm dan ook met wapengekletter van grootmachten zal de koersen van aandelen flink omlaag jagen, behalve die van eneregie.

Groet Bir.
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Bidden vertelde vrijdag dat ie dit weekend een invasie van de Russen verwachtte en dat de Amerikanen binnen 24 uur de Oekraïne moesten verlaten.
Zelf denk ik dat dit een politiek spel is.
Als de invasie achterwegen blijft kunnen we volgende week weer hogere koersen verwachten lijkt me.
In het ergste geval een zeer grote dip gebaseerd op angst wat over een paar weken wel weer recht getrokken is.
Ik blijf dus gewoon op mijn aandelen zitten en laat het allemaal over me heen komen.
Veel succes allen.
Groet PM
Pariss
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Voor de wapenindustrie in Amerika is dit mooi meegenomen,nu Afghanistan is weggevallen zoeken
ze steeds nieuwe afzetgebieden.
Bir
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Peter Markus schreef op 12 februari 2022 10:34:

Bidden vertelde vrijdag dat ie dit weekend een invasie van de Russen verwachtte en dat de Amerikanen binnen 24 uur de Oekraïne moesten verlaten.
Zelf denk ik dat dit een politiek spel is.
Als de invasie achterwegen blijft kunnen we volgende week weer hogere koersen verwachten lijkt me.
In het ergste geval een zeer grote dip gebaseerd op angst wat over een paar weken wel weer recht getrokken is.
Ik blijf dus gewoon op mijn aandelen zitten en laat het allemaal over me heen komen.
Veel succes allen.
Groet PM
Goeiemorgen, dat denk ik ook, maar ben daar allesbehalve zeker van. Tis “game of the chicken” op hoog niveau…….gevaarlijke daaraan is dat het ook onbedoeld kan escaleren. In combinatie met de oplopende inflatie geeft dat een reele dreiging van fors lagere beurskoersen.

Ben het overigens met je eens dat als het sentiment en de markt weer een beetje tot rust komen, AM fors kan stijgen op basis van de cijfers en vooruitzichten.

Fijn en rustig weekend allemaal, grt Bir.
Dutchess41
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Dduck schreef op 12 februari 2022 00:34:

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Wankele economie ????????????
Tel die biljoenen aan exportinkomsten van o a hun iron, gas, olie, kolen, hout en graan eens op.
Dat valt erg mee hoor. Op basis van BNP is Rusland slechts de 12e grootste economie en qua omvang vergelijkbaar met de Benelux landen samen. Bovendien verdiend Rusland het grootste deel van zijn inkomen aan de export van energie zoals je zelf ook aangeeft en is de rest van de industrie hopeloos gedateerd. Bedenk daarbij ook dat Europa voor bv. Gazprom de enige klant is. Dus het dichtdraaien van de gaskraan als mogelijk antwoord op opgelegde sancties lijkt mij geen optie omdat daarmee eigenlijk hun grootste bron van inkomen weg valt.

Dus ja, die economie lijkt mij wankel.
christo1
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Ebitda CIS 2021 was goed voor 2,5 miljard, ik weet niet hoe de verhoudingen zijn tussen Oekraïne en de andere CIS landen waar arcelormittal opereert, dus zelfs als de Russen de staalfabriek platbombarderen(laten we daar niet vanuit gaan, maar het kan) wordt maar een deel van die 2,5 miljard tenietgedaan op een totale ebidta van 19,4 miljard dollar in 2021, denk eerder dat ze militaire doeleinden zullen bombarderen als het tot een inval komt.

Ikzelf ga er van uit dat de Russen als ze binnenvallen niet de hele economie gaan plat bombarderen want als ze heel Oekraïne willen bezetten hebben de Russen er alle belang bij dat de Oekraïnse economie blijft draaien of anders moeten ze daar enorme bedragen gaan ophoesten omdat allemaal weer te gaan opbouwen, Een land bezetten en draaiende houden kost een fortuin zelfs voor de Russen + het feit dat ze dan nog een heel groot deel van de Oekraïnse bevolking tevreden moeten houden.

Als de regering van Oekraïne eens goed nadenkt en enkel een toegeving doet naar die twee opstandige provincies in het oosten, zoals in het Minsk akkoord is vastgelegd en een neutrale status aanneemt kunnen ze een inval vermijden, Rusland tevreden houden - geen oorlog op Europese bodem en de wereld kan doorgaan op zij elan, maar de wereld zit niet simpel in elkaar.

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Heb zelf het earnings transcript kunnen bemachtigen en post het hier er is ook een stukje dat gaat over de crisis in Oekraïne.

het betrof het jaar 2014, is wel niet te vergelijken met een mogelijke volledige inval.

Daniel Fairclough

Great. Good afternoon and good morning everybody. This is Daniel Fairclough from the ArcelorMittal Investor Relations team. Thank you very much for joining today's call, which is being hosted by Mr. Mittal, our Executive President; Aditya Mittal, our CEO; and also Genuino Christino, the Group's CFO. The focus of today's call is to discuss the results of the fourth quarter of 2021 and the strategic progress we're marking at ArcelorMittal. This was covered in depth in a detailed presentation published alongside our results on the website today. So as usual, the format of this call will be some opening remarks from Mr. Mittal and Aditya, followed directly by a Q&A session. As such, we should be able to complete this call in about 45 minutes.

Before we begin some housekeeping items. Firstly, if you would like to ask question, please do press star one to join the queue. And secondly, I would like to remind you of the disclaimers on the first slide of our presentation deck. And finally, I would like to inform you that this call is being recorded.

And so with that over to you Mr. Mittal.

Lakshmi Mittal

Thank you. Good day everyone. Thank you for joining today's call. I hope you are all keeping safe and well. Today, we have reported a very strong set of results for 2021, including a record level of net income. As a company, we have achieved significant progress on many strategic fronts over the past 12 months: cost improvements, advancing our decarbonization plans and progressing with our investments to grow EBITDA. At the same time, we have been able to return significant amounts of capitals to shareholders. The progress is gratifying, and it's down to the hard work, commitment and dedication of all our people. I expect 2022 to be another strong year for our company and all our stakeholders. Aditya?

Aditya Mittal

Great. Thank you and welcome everyone. Good morning, good afternoon. 2021 has indeed been a very progressive year for ArcelorMittal. However, I must acknowledge the one area where we did not make the progress we wanted, and that is safety. Our leadership is fully focused on improvement, taking decisions on where we need to strengthen and intensify our very important efforts to achieve zero incidents. We will continue to double down until we reach our goals. In terms of financial performance, full year EBITDA was $19.4 billion and net income, a record $15 billion. We delivered $6.4 billion of free cash flow for the year with $3 billion being generated in the fourth quarter alone. These are very strong numbers and I believe that we can post strong results in 2022 as well.

At the start of the year, we set out four strategic priorities. I'm pleased to say that we are delivering progress on all of these areas. First, we're leading the industry on decarbonization. Second, we are further improving our cost position. Third, we're investing for long-term strategic growth. And finally, we're consistently returning capital to our shareholders. These are the strategic pillars on which we can grow per share value. Our capital allocation and return policies are delivering. In 2021, we reduced the share count by almost 20%. The buybacks enhance the impacts of our growth projects, supported by the growing contributions from JV and associates and structurally lower net cost – net interest cost. These factors combined will drive higher earnings and create sustainable value for shareholders.

Looking ahead, I see good prospects for 2022. Demand continues to improve. We have the support of higher annual contracts and we have our value plan, which should offset some of the impacts of cost inflation. I fully expect 2022 to be another strong year of EBITDA and free cash flow generation and look forward to making further progress against our strategic priorities.

Thank you. We're now happy to take questions.

Question-and-Answer Session

A - Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Aditya. Thanks, Mr. Mittal. So we have a queue of questions. The first, we will take from Alain at Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead, Alain.

Alain Gabriel

Yes. Good afternoon gentlemen. Two questions from my side. Firstly is on capital allocation. Across your presentation, you have reiterated your capital allocation framework. On capital returns, you have talked the talk and walked the walk. But what about M&A? Are you warming up to the idea of becoming more acquisitive again? What would you say to the skeptics who are worried about the potential increase in M&A risk? That's the first question.

Aditya Mittal

Sure. Thank you. Yes, thank you for the remarks. I think we have walked the talk in terms of capital returns, and you should expect the same going forward. If you look at the capital allocation strategy or policy that we have outlined, 50% of free cash flow goes towards our shareholders. So really, in terms of M&A, we're focused on the other 50% and what we do with that. We obviously can continue to delever the balance sheet or we can also explore M&A opportunities.

I think, for example, we could look at areas which support our decarbonization journey or areas like renewable where clearly, we have certain advantages. As you know historically, we've built a very strong iron ore business, which is a great business on a stand-alone basis, but also supports our steel businesses. There are very good and clear synergies there.

We could do something similar in the renewables side, right? Because as we decarbonize, our energy requirements will only increase, so we could make investments there or get into partnerships, et cetera.

So fundamentally, the key message though is capital allocation is not changing. We are focused on returning cash to shareholders. 50% of free cash flow is designated for that. And I mean – I think it's understood, but I'll just reemphasize it. We are very focused on retaining our investment-grade balance sheet as well.
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Alan Carr

Thank you. That's very clear. And the second question is on the outlook. You sounded quite upbeat on volumes and pricing. Given the contract resets in Europe and NAFTA, how should we think about the different moving parts for your Q1 EBITDA, especially with respect to the volumes, ASPs and cost inflation? Thank you.

Aditya Mittal

Sure. I'm going to hand it over to Genuino to take that question. Thank you.

Genuino Christino

Yes, sure. Thank you, Alan. Yes. So, let's talk about the moving parts for quarter one. I would say that the fact that we had a good negotiation with our OEM’s contracts, that will support prices as we move into quarter one. Just quickly to remind everyone, about 70% of our contracts in Europe reset from beginning of January, so that will support prices. So, we also have sizable contracts being reset in NAFTA, about 30% of our contracts in NAFTA. So, looking at the group as a whole, our expectation is our selling prices will be higher.

Then if we move to volumes, our expectation is for volumes should be at group level, relatively stable, slightly higher given the fact that we got also the higher shipments in Q4.

And then on the flip side, of course, we are seeing cost pressure. So, we are seeing iron ore and coal prices rising. And on the energy side, I believe that in Europe, we have seen – probably we have seen the worse. Of course, we have to be watchful, but probably we have seen the worse.

Alan Carr

Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Great. Thanks, Alan. So, we'll move to the next question, please, from Seth [ph] of Exane. Go ahead, Seth.

Unidentified Analyst

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking our questions. If I can start out, please, with a question with regards to decarbonization. Mittal certainly has been a leader with regards to launching your decarbonization plan and the initial sales of green steel already. However, some of your peers within Europe have begun to accelerate their own plans, targeting full decarbonization by 2030 rather than 2050. How does that position ArcelorMittal ultimately? Is there a challenge? Is there a need to accelerate moving forward? Or do you feel comfortable with what's already been announced? I'll start there, please.

Aditya Mittal

Sure. Thank you. Yes, I've seen some of those announcements. I won't comment directly on those announcements, but really on what we are doing. I appreciate your commentary on us being the first, but obviously being the first is not all been surprising. It's really in the long game, who has the best strategy.

Just high level very quickly, I think, we have a lot of advantages or attributes, which give us a lot of confidence and give me a lot of confidence that we will succeed in terms of leading the decarbonization journey: Our technology prowess; clearly, our commitment to R&D, which we have not cut in spite of all the volatility in the steel business; our globally diverse workforce as well as our size and scale.

In terms of our plans, if you look through what we have done, we have announced decarb plants in Spain, in Belgium and in France, most recently in Europe and have done the same in Canada. For example, in Spain, we are scheduled to bring on the first net-zero steel facility in Sestao by 2025. We have also launched XCarb products. These are steel products, which we can sell and you can record under the greenhouse gas protocol zero carbon emissions. This is green steel certified and we have a recycled and renewable product range.

Clearly, we need to grow that product range and we're doing that through the investments that we have. I think when I look at the totality of our European operations and the totality of what we're trying to achieve, I feel very comfortable that we're on the right track and we're doing the right things.

Unidentified Analyst

Okay, thank you very much. And if I can ask a follow-up question with regard to capital allocation, please? Your 50% free cash flow payout ratio was already supported really phenomenal buyback scale over the recent quarters. I think there are many investors hoping to see a hike in that payout ratio going forward, certainly as you approach a net cash buffer. Certainly would have already been there were it not doing the buybacks to-date. You already talked about for M&A. Just how do you think about the trade-off of potentially using some of the excess capital from M&A as opposed to further expanding shareholder returns with a higher payout ratio? Thank you.

Aditya Mittal

Yes. Thank you. Look, fundamentally, there could be short-term conflict in that but not really medium to long-term conflict. What do I mean by that? I think clearly, M&A actions or activities, if we undertake them, should create shareholder value, right. I think we have to review what they are, understand the synergies, how it furthers our strategy. So the concept is not to do things which would obviously reduce that. I think that's a given.

In terms of increasing the payout, I think that's a dialogue and a discussion we can have and we should have with our key stakeholders. So far, we have not heard that feedback. I think what we have done last year has been very impressive in terms of both our dividend policy, the share buyback, the fact that when we did the disposal of our operations in the U.S., we returned 100% of those proceeds back to shareholders.

So in a nutshell, we feel very comfortable that our capital allocation strategy allow us to return value immediately through the share buyback program, but also preserves the options and the capability for us to continue to create long-term shareholder value.

Unidentified Analyst

Great, thank you very much.
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Daniel Fairclough

Thanks. So we'll move to the next question, please, from Tom at Barclays.

Tom Zhang

Hi, guys. Thanks very much for taking the question. And congrats, I guess, thus far on what has been record earnings and a very good year. Firstly, just on the current CapEx envelope that you have on strategic growth. I mean, it seems like every quarter, there are some interesting new sort of growth projects that are coming online, most recently sort of Ukraine environment. So just wondering if that's something we should expect for the next couple of quarters or are you quite happy with the existing portfolio of projects?

Aditya Mittal

Yes. So first of all, thank you. It's been a long time since we have delivered such good results, so everyone in ArcelorMittal is very pleased. In terms of the specific strategic projects, look, we'll update you as things develop. Clearly, as we move forward in terms of decarbonization and also our product suite, where we want to have capability to supply to the new demands that are being created in terms of the new energy infrastructure, we could have more updates and develop more projects, which could create both EBITDA and value for us as we move forward. So I would not say that this is the end of it. I would say that the area to focus on is how interesting these projects are.

Because if you look at the relative CapEx or the relative EBITDA generation, these are all very strong projects, primarily focused on the emerging markets, adding value in terms of our product range, adding value in terms of iron ore. And the reason why I say they are very strong projects, apart from the strategic reasons, is also because the EBITDA forecast that we have provided in terms of iron ore are based on long-term iron ore pricing, which we have not changed for many years. And in terms of steel, it's really based on historical spreads between 2015 and 2020.

And so to the extent that there is a structural shift in the steel industry, then obviously, the EBITDA performance of all of these facilities will improve, for all of these projects will improve. So I think these are quite exciting. It's not – they are already commenced. So we should see the EBITDA benefit soon, especially Mexico, for example, where the first coil was already shipped out in December of this year.

Tom Zhang

Okay. Thank you. Very clear. And just another question, please. I apologize, the line cut out a little bit during Alain’s second question. But I heard that Europe seems to be past the worst, and you can see sort of, I guess, the CIS prices starting to pick up. Would you rule out that Q1 EBITDA might be higher than Q4?

Aditya Mittal

Genuino?

Genuino Christino

Yes. Hi, Tom. Yes. Look, I mean, as you know, we don’t really provide that type of guidance. No, I was just trying to discuss the moving parts, right? So we are, of course, very confident on Q1. We believe that we’re going to have a good quarter there. And I spoke already about the moving parts, so I think that should give you an indication of what kind of EBITDA to expect in Q1.

Tom Zhang

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks. I’ll turn it back.

Daniel Fairclough

Great. Thanks, Tom. So we’ll move to the next question from Patrick at Bank of America.

Patrick Mann

Hi, good day. Well done on the record results. I just wanted to ask two questions. One, the $1.5 billion value plan, which is in the results. Can you just maybe give us a little bit more color around what actions you’re taking? I think I saw there at some intended to offset some of the inflationary pressures you’re feeling. So it would be interesting to hear what actions you can take.

And then the second one is, could you just maybe give us an operational update on India and the strategy there going forward? It’s obviously doing very, very well. And just to get a sense of the trajectory that the business is on. Thank you very much.

Aditya Mittal

Great. Thank you, Patrick. In terms of the value plan, as you correctly point out, it’s $1.5 billion over the next three years. The focus area is really variable costs and improved operational reliability. And variable cost is really improving consumption factors. And the way we can do it – or efficiency factors. And the way we can do it is through transferring knowledge. We have facilities, which obviously do very well, and there are areas in which we can improve across the Board.

And so this is a bottoms-up plan. It’s very clear which facilities have this improvement potential. And it’s a cumulative of all of those plans, which we have presented. Operational reliability is just improving mill availability, so ensuring that the mills are available much more. It’s really focusing on preventive maintenance practices versus reactive maintenance practices. And the combination of the two is a prime generation of this value plan.

It’s different than what we did in 2020, in 2021, where we had a fixed cost plan, which, if you remember, included the footprint optimization. So this is a [indiscernible] Saldanha as well as Kraków in Poland, and we improved employee productivity by 8% reduced SG&A. So this is much more focused on variable costs, operational reliability and because this variable cost should offset some of the inflationary impacts.

In terms of operational update in India, you’re absolutely right. India is off to a very, very strong start. It has done very well since our acquisitions. We’re very proud of the team there and what we have achieved. It hit record results, both production and shipments in 2021, and it has excellent growth characteristics. Inherently, the facility is low cost, has a very good strategic base because the iron ore is coming from the East via slurry pipelines to the East Coast, where we own pelletizing facilities, transported to the West Coast, where we have a coastal facility where the market is and then obviously converted into steel.

In the short-term, our growth plans are two-fold, primarily it’s automotive downstream. So we have a project to set up a new coil rolling facility, galvanizing lines to address the market in terms of automotive demand. And the second is to expand the facility on the West Coast, which Hazira site.

We have a plan underway or a project underway, which hopefully we should be announcing soon this year in which we can take that facility from 8 million to 14 million tonnes. And clearly, as it’s an expansion, it’s a brownfield facility, I think that will bring down its cost. So from a cost competitiveness perspective, I think it would be world-class and clearly located to the growing market in India. Moving forward, there are other growth plans, but I think this is the main takeaway for today.

Patrick Mann

Thank you.

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Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Patrick. So we’ll move to the next question, please, from Alan at Jefferies.

Alan Spence

Thanks and good afternoon. The first one regarding the carbon price. In the presentation deck, you’ve highlighted some hedges at very low price levels, but that none of them were actually used in 2021. Where you fully covered by your free allowances in the last year? Or was this a strategic decision to hold on to them until later when perhaps – and use if the carbon price continues to rise.

Genuino Christino

Yes. So let me take this one. Yes, so there was a decision, strategic decision not to draw from our hedging position. So as you have seen in our slides, so we have and we have historically done that. So we have built a sizable position that take us through the first – can take us through the first half of phase 4. And in 2021, we felt that there was no need to draw from that, so we are carrying that position untouched for future years.

Alan Spence

Thank you. And then a bit of a different topic for my second question. We’re now about two weeks away from the deadline in Brazil for the removal of all the upstream tailings dams. Can you – there’s been several articles out there speculating that perhaps not all mines, not specifically ArcelorMittal mines, will not meet this deadline. Can you give us a progress update on where you are for that?

Genuino Christino

Yes. So I can speak for ArcelorMittal, what we are doing. I’m not going to comment on what the others are doing. But clearly, you have seen in our books, we have already provided for the dismantling of the dam, the one tailing dam that we have in Brazil, that was – that is part of this plan. So it’s progressing. It’s progressing well. And we actually got the licenses already to start the expansion of the project at Serra Azul. So I would say from our side, everything is progressing quite well.

Alan Spence

Okay, thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Alan. So we’ll move to the next question now from Luke at JPMorgan. Go ahead, Luke.

Luke Nelson

Hi. I suppose more broadly just on your guidance. We see a lot of your peers give a bit more granular quarter ahead or year ahead guidance. Literally just now, one of your peers is coming out with next year’s guidance. Just trying to get an understanding of why or what’s holding you back from providing more quantitative guidance to the market? That would be my first question.

Genuino Christino

Look, so as you know, this is something that we have stopped many, many years ago of providing very specific guidance. So we believe that by now, you guys understand very well the company, understand the drivers. So we feel that there is no need for such specific guidance. So what we try to do every quarter, as you know, we try to walk you through some of the moving parts for the next quarter, right? And I think we have done that to the extent that you guys would like to get into more level of details by segments. I’m happy to do as well.

So we talked about shipments being at group level, stable to slightly higher. So where we are seeing – we are seeing basically shipments stable in all the segments, with the exception of NAFTA, where we would expect shipments to be potentially slightly better, recovering a bit from the seasonality of Q4 plus some of the slowdown that we saw in Q4.

And then in terms of prices, we talked about prices being significantly higher than Europe, helping to offset declines in places, such as NAFTA and Brazil. So overall, at group level, prices should be higher. And then costs, our expectation is that costs will continue to rise, with the exception maybe NAFTA, where that should not be so significant in Q1. And so that’s really all the moving parts to look for Q1. Let’s not forget – and let’s not forget also that we should see some offset also, some higher results in our mining division, of course.

Luke Nelson

Yes. Okay. That’s actually the – my next question is actually on iron ore. You’ve given the sort of shipment indications of steel, but haven’t really talked about iron ore. And I think, I mean, in the not too distant past, you used to give market price shipments. Can you maybe talk to how you’re thinking about that this year?

And then just more broadly on seaborne iron ore and the division there have been some operational issues in Liberia. I think there were some headlines around some potential negotiations with unions in Canada. Can you maybe talk to that? And then just sort of broadly on pricing, given the price level that we hear – that we’re seeing at the moment, any indication on what you’re hearing from the market from sort of the marketing side and how you see that potentially progressing over the midterm?

Genuino Christino

Yes. So look, I mean, a lot of questions. So let me start with iron ore. So yes, you’re absolutely right. So 2021 was not a great year for us in terms of volumes. So we had the impact, of course, of the strike in Mines Canada, and we have a couple of incidents also in Liberia. So in total, we lost close to 3 million tonnes of shipments because of these events. So our expectation is that they will not reoccur in 2022. So our expectation is to do better there in terms of production and shipments.

So in terms of the strike in Canada, you’re right. So unfortunately, it’s – we have right now a strike going on. For now, the impact it’s limited because we, of course, can still operate parts of the plant with non-unionized people. So we are drawing from inventories. And then it’s going to be a function of how long this strike lasts. So it’s a little bit early to talk about potential impacts of that strike for quarter one. But I would not really expect that to be very, very material.

In terms of prices, as you know, we don’t really comment much on prices, but I would say though that if you look at indexes, clearly, the costs, the fact that we have pressure on cost is also, to some extent, supporting prices. So you start to see index price – if you look at the index prices in Europe, Black Sea, China all moving up, which is, of course, a very good indication.

The only exception, of course, being U.S., where prices continue to – looking at indexes, prices continue to decline. And that, to some extent, is to be expected but the fundamentals remain quite strong. PMI is quite strong. So we are looking at a very good real steel consumption for the year. So there are also reasons to believe that the market will find a balance and then the fundamentals will prevail.

Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Luke. So we’ll move to the next question, please, from Carsten at Credit Suisse.
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Carsten Riek

Thank you very much. Two questions from my side. The first one is on the $1.5 billion value plan. Could you give us a breakdown about the factors contributing, i.e., commercial versus operational factors versus other factors. And what area do you see the most value to be lifted, in the steel areas, in the mining? Maybe you can give a little bit of color there. That’s the first one.

Genuino Christino

Yes, Carsten. So Aditya already provided some color on that. I would say that really, the biggest part is really on account of variable cost, a bit also on fixed cost and less so on commercial. And we have hundreds of initiatives here, Carsten. It’s really a very detailed plan coming from the units. It’s part of our budget and strategic cycles, I would say. You also have a good contribution coming from purchasing, which is, of course, part of the variable cost improvement plans. So yield, as Aditya said, it’s difficult to be very specific, given the granularity the volume of initiatives that we have here. I would say that also that our expectation is that we’re going to see this flow into our results almost equally throughout the next three years, perhaps a little bit more this year. But you guys can assume one-third, one-third, one-third roughly. So that’s – I hope that helps as well with your models.

Carsten Riek

Good. Thank you very much. The second question is on the Ukraine operations. We have seen that the tensions here are rising with Russia on a political base. Is there any risk from a volume and/or other cost perspective? And did you already take any measures in order to mitigate any risk here?

Aditya Mittal

Thank you, Carsten. Maybe I’ll take that question. We’re very focused on protecting and ensuring the safety of our people and assets. We have contingency plans in place in case the crisis escalates what we should be doing with our operations and more importantly, with the people who work there. In terms of the operations, I think the operations are running normally. We don’t see any supply chain disruption either. And if you go back into 2014, when there was another crisis in Ukraine, we had some disruption, but relatively minimal. And we were able to restore supply chains and work through that disruption in 2014. Clearly, the focus or the hope is that the crisis does not escalate.

Carsten Riek

Perfect, that’s very clear. Thank you very much.

Daniel Fairclough

Thanks, Carsten. So we’ll move to the next question, please, from Phil from KeyBanc. Go ahead, Phil.

Phil Nadeau

Hi, thanks very much. You mentioned earlier the Mexican hot strip mill put out its first coil in recent days. I realize there’s a ramp here, but how much incremental sheet volume should we expect in NAFTA from this project perhaps this year and then also next year?

Genuino Christino

Yes. Phil, let me take this one. Yes. So the ramp-up is progressing, and I would say it’s progressing well, Phil. Our expectation is that we will start to see a more meaningful contribution towards the second half. Our expectation is that in the second half, we should be reaching anything close to 60% to 70% run rate by the end of the year. And then – and hopefully, we can close that, reach full capacity at some point, second half of 2023.

So, I would expect by the end of 2023, we should be really running full that mill. We clearly expect good progress this year. That’s the target, and that’s what everybody is focusing on right now. So some – we will see already a good contribution this year and then more in 2023.

Phil Nadeau

And that, Genuino, is – when you’re talking about the 60% to 70% of capacity, that’s relative to 2.5 million tons. Is that right?

Genuino Christino

Yes.

Aditya Mittal

I would just add, we had a leadership presentation earlier this afternoon, and we showed them the whole video of the Mexican hot strip mill, and it was very impressive. It’s an excellent mill. It was very nice to see that after such a long time, we had built a brownfield facility and it has very good quality characteristics as well. And as Genuino mentioned, ramp-up is progressing well.

Phil Nadeau

Thanks so much. And then in terms of a follow-up, Section 232 was brought down for the most part against the EU a few months ago. What does that mean for you all in terms of any shift in potential trade flows or how you’re planning for the business this year? Thank you.

Genuino Christino

I mean we don’t believe really that it’s going to change fundamentally outflows. I mean typically, we have been already exporting to the U.S. from European operations, niche products like the big sections. So that will continue. So I don't believe that that's going to fundamentally change flows for us.

Phil Nadeau

Thank you.
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Daniel Fairclough

So we'll move to the next question, please, and we'll take that from Ephrem from Citi. Please go ahead.

Ephrem Ravi

Thanks. Most of my questions have been answered. So one very specific one, apologies for this. In the CapEx slide, you have said Liberia CapEx is under reconsideration for scope and inflation effects. So two sub-questions to that: One, does this mean that basically you will be building the rail line for the 30 million tonne eventual capacity? Because I think the $0.8 billion was already for the 50 million tonnes capacity by 2023. And secondly, there's been some confusion in the market whether the rail line is exclusively for ArcelorMittal use? Or is it also for open access to others, like the Nimba project in the neighboring countries. So can you clarify if as part of the increased CapEx, you will get exclusive access to that rail line for the 30 million tonnes?

Genuino Christino

Yes. Ephrem, thank you for the question. Fundamentally, you're right. Let me just provide you a little bit more detail. We have spent $500 million so far on the rail line for the first phase, which was at 5 million tonnes, so we brought it up, and it has some capability to be expanded. So the incremental CapEx is not so great to bring it to 15 million tonnes.

We retain the operatorship rights of this line. So we operate the line for all practical purposes. And beyond us – beyond 30 million tonnes, we have the ability to bring in third-party cargo on the line or we have a multiuser agreement beyond our 30 million tonnes. In terms of the – so for all practical purposes, we have a clear line of sight to shipping 30 million tonnes through our rail line. And then to the extent that there is additional capacity or additional iron ore in the market, then others can also utilize the line, but they would have to either invest the capital or agree with us how to invest that capital.

We obviously are not investing capital to cater to third-party requirements. In all of this discussion, obviously, we retain operatorship rights. So I hope that solves the confusion. In terms of the CapEx, it's much more about the ore body and how we modify the concentrator design to get higher quality output. And so we will update you as we do that. And we just wanted to flag it today so that you are aware that the project – certain aspects of the project are still being finalized.

The key obvious focus is to get the highest quality product, and we think that makes a lot of sense, not only in the short term but in the long term because as you decarbonize, you need higher and higher quality products.

Ephrem Ravi

Thanks. Sorry, one more question that popped up in my mind. The investments that you mentioned earlier on decarbonization, you did mention electricity capacity generation. What's your thinking about sort of the cost of capital of ArcelorMittal investing in green electricity versus the cost of capital for the renewable company, which was like very low single-digit percentage cost of capital, while you're probably 10% to 15%. So do you think it's sort of wise on your part to use your balance sheet? Or would you – should you be exclusively kind of forcing it from others at a lower cost of capital?

Genuino Christino

Yes, I think that's a fair point. I think to the – when there's a project to be discussed, I think we should engage more constructively on those points. But fundamentally, I think we bring value to a project because we provide a clear power purchase agreement. That's important because it creates a base load. I think we can also create these facilities, which are in close proximity to some of our steel assets. And obviously, we are very cognizant of our cost of capital, and we'll ensure that these projects exceed that.

Ephrem Ravi

Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

So we'll move now to Bastian at Deutsche Bank.

Bastian Synagowitz

Hi, good afternoon. And I only have a quick follow-up actually on capital allocation, if that's right term. You talk about M&A. It was a lot strategic targets, if I remember correctly, that is new versus was on the slide deck at a year earlier. Is there anything which is on your immediate radar or am I reading simply too much in it? Maybe could you also specify a little bit whether you're referring to smaller, say, bolt-on type of deals or whether you keep the freedom to go larger, say, maybe $3 billion plus type of targets. Thank you.

Aditya Mittal

Sure. Thank you, Bastian. I think I've answered this in the beginning of the call, so at the risk of repeating my points, I will go through it again. I think fundamentally, what we highlighted is that we are very focused on allocating 50% of our free cash to shareholders, and we did that quite well in – or very well, I should say, in 2021, and that remains the focus.

As we go forward, we have the choice on the other 50%, whether to continue to delever or to use it to – or to use that capital and do M&A. In terms of the targets I talked about, look, these could be things which further our decarb agenda, it could be on the renewables space, hence, Ephrem's question earlier. But within all of that, I think what is most important to remember is we remain very focused on maintaining our strong balance sheet, our investment-grade credit rating and our credit ratios.

So I think that kind of gives you a flavor of how we're thinking about it. Obviously, we're very focused on returns to shareholders and maintaining our strong balance sheet. And to the extent in between that, we can do successful and value-creating M&A, we will explore that.

Bastian Synagowitz

Okay. Perfect. Thanks a lot clarifying again. And then, Genuino, maybe one for you. You said we've seen the worst in your cost inflation now. If I remember correctly, I think last quarter, you put out a number of 500 million of cost inflation, mostly for Europe, I think a little bit for AACIS. Is there a cost number you could give us for energy cost inflation outside coking coal for the first quarter as well, please?

Genuino Christino

Hi, Bastian. I don't think I'm going to get into this level of detail, Bastian, but on coal. I mean you guys know very well that Europe, we are buying our needs, our core needs. You guys know where prices are. So I don't think that should be very challenging for you guys to come up with your estimates. It was, of course, for natural gas power, that is a little bit more challenging from an outsider to come up with a good estimate. And that's why we try to help.

And as I said, I think most of the costs in terms of energy and energy, I mean really, the gas and power, it's kind of already reflected in our Q4 results. So moving to quarter one, I don't really expect any significant increase in terms of costs based on what we are seeing today for gas and power. But of course, coal as we know, it's going to be higher.

Bastian Synagowitz

Okay. Yes, perfect. That was exactly what I was looking for. I think everyone can see coal. So I was really after electricity and gas. But thanks for taking that.

Genuino Christino

Okay, thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Great. Thanks Bastian. I think we can make room for maybe two more questions. So we'll take the first from Myles at UBS.

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Myles Minter

Great. Thank you. Just a couple of quick questions. Could you give us a sense of how order books and inventories are sitting out relative to three months ago, the first one?

Genuino Christino

Hi, Myles. So order books continue to be good actually. I mean, and you look in Europe, so demand – the real demand continues to be strong, good. So order books remains quite healthy. Delivery times have come down. I mean of course, not as extended as they were at some point in 2021, but the order book continues to be good. We have basically completed for quarter one and we are now booking quarter two.

So the demand continues to be strong even in Brazil. We do – we expect to see also very stable also domestic shipments despite the negative apparent steel consumption that we published today, our expectation is that we're not going to see such a decline in domestic shipments because we do expect that imports that hit Brazil also towards the end of last year will also come down. So we don't expect to see a drop there. So I would say, overall, it's a good picture.

Myles Minter

And then just a second question, thinking about sort of China sort of over the last week or so using some of their green policies. And we've seen, obviously a little bit of a pickup in exports of steel from China. I mean how concerned should we be about that that China is going to start dumping significant volumes into the export markets and obviously having reverberations around the world?

Aditya Mittal

I think I was on mute. Sorry, Myles.

Myles Minter

It's okay.

Aditya Mittal

Yes. Look, I think fundamentally that risk always exists. Sorry, can you hear me?

Myles Minter

Yes. I can, yes.

Aditya Mittal

Okay. Okay. Good. So I was just saying that fundamentally that, that risk always exists, but a few things have changed. The export rebate on VAT has gone away from China. So there's less of an incentive to export. I think clearly, there's been a lot of trade action that has been put in place. And thirdly, if you read the tea leaves in China, I think the perspective is that we should not be an export powerhouse for steel, primarily because anyways we're just adding to the CO2 problem, and we're not really resolving it. So I think any surge in exports, I think there would be a reaction, maybe not instantaneously but over time. And I think that should provide structural support as we look forward, not only this year but for the years to come.

Our view on China is perhaps more bearish than others, where we see maybe no growth or negative growth in terms of apparent steel consumption. We've been doing that for the last few years and every time we publish something, six months later China surprises on the upside. But anyway, I think those are the key data points or things to think about when you think about that issue.

Myles Minter

Okay. Thank you.

Daniel Fairclough

Sorry, I was on mute there. So we can move to the last question, please, and we'll take that from John Tumazos [ph].

Unidentified Analyst

Congratulations on your different de-carbonization efforts. As you study the conventional coal-fired blast furnace potentially converting to hydrogen or other fuels, the coke has a stability function where it bears weight, which helps to regulate the gas flow within the furnace. With hydrogen or other substitute fuels, how do they complement the load-bearing former function of the coke to regulate the gas flow within the furnace?

Aditya Mittal

Thank you, John. Great question. I think it's very difficult. I think fundamentally, that's very, very difficult. And therefore, if you look at our announcements, we are really focused on direct reduction iron as a technology, DRI or HBI, some of the plants in the U.S. are producing, where the shaft is different and fundamentally, you're not relying on that burden, but you're relying on natural gas.

So globally today, we produce about 9 million tonnes of metallics through the DRI route, and it uses natural gas. Switching DRI facilities from natural gas to hydrogen is possible. We actually have a pilot in Hamburg, Germany, where we're going to build a 100,000 tonne DRI facility, which will be using hydrogen exclusively. And we feel that we can retrofit or make modifications to existing DRI plants.

So to the extent that you have a blast furnace, like we have in some of our integrated sites as well as in Canada, our first option is really to direct a DRI plant, get the metallics, put it into an EF and then use renewable power to melt it. So that's fundamentally our strategy. We call it the Innovative DRI route, because the natural gas is a transition fuel. And when hydrogen becomes cost effective, you can use it – you can inject hydrogen.

Nevertheless, there is a lot of work going on in terms of blast furnace technology exactly trying to address the question that you posed. And I think there could be a combination when, yes, you still continue to use coke. You increase the level of hydrogen or other gases, like oxygen. But at the same time, you capture the CO2 coming out. And that CCU and CCS technology, that's what we call the Smart Carbon route. We actually have a big pilot – a big plant now, no longer a pilot where we have spent €180 million in Belgium and Ghent, which does exactly that.

It captures the CO2 from the furnace. It has microbes or bacteria, which eats up to CO2 and converts it into a bioethanol product. And obviously, the EBITDA is not – is generated not only because of the CO2 saving but because of the value of the bioethanol that is generated.

So look, it's – decarb is going to be a long journey. There will be technology evolution and new things that’s get developed. I think we're looking at various options. We're also looking at electrolysis. So you have the Innovative DRI route, you have the Smart Carbon route, electrolysis. And I think finally, based on geography, based on the plant, you will figure out what is the most optimum solution for that site. And I don't know if I've answered the question, but I think that's how we're looking at it at ArcelorMittal.
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Unidentified Analyst

I admire the scientific progress you're making and attempting to make.

Aditya Mittal

Great. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Daniel just told me that this is the end of the call. So thank you, everyone, for all your questions. I think we covered a lot of ground on the call today. Obviously, all of us are here to the extent that you seek any further clarifications. With that, we'll conclude the call. Stay safe, and keep those around you safe as well. Thank you very much.
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