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wous schreef:

rustig blijven ,
vertrouwen ,en geduld .

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haydar81 schreef:

meest trieste aandeel waar ik in oooit heb gehandeld, eind van het jaar ben ik eruit

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rolof schreef:

[quote=haydar81]
meest trieste aandeel waar ik in oooit heb gehandeld, eind van het jaar ben ik eruit
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Maar dan wordt het misschien interessant om te kopen.

Groet
Roloff

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josti5 schreef:

[quote=wous]
rustig blijven ,
vertrouwen ,en geduld .
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Jaja, dat zeggen ze bij de soof óók al jaren, beste wous! ☺

*rustig blijven: tsja wat is 'LT'?
5, 10, 20 jaar?
Naarmate de tijd verstrijkt, stijgt mijn onrust.

*vertrouwen?
Mwahh: zie alle MT/RvC/IR postings over dit onderwerp...

*geduld?
Wederom: 5, 10, 20 jaar, tot ik in mijn graf lig?
Naarmate de tijd verstrijkt, zakt mijn geduld.

Je kunt als bedrijf niet eindeloos met je aandeelhouders spelen:
-aan geen enkele emissie hebben bestaande (particuliere!) aandeelhouders mogen deelnemen
-koers verkeert nog steeds (zwaar: momenteel zo'n 25%) onder de 1e IPO van al weer 10 jaar geleden
-op dividend is geen enkel zicht

Ik hád aanvankelijk een 'heilig, 100% vertrouwen' in het aandeel, maar da's zo langzamaan wel veranderd, dank zij voortschrijdend inzicht in de non-bedoelingen van MT/RvC met de particuliere aandeelhouders.

Van Herk, Delta Lloyd, JNJ en nog enkele mindere goden zullen zich de kaas niet van het brood laten eten, dus op 1 of andere manier (en ik weet wel wélke!) maken zij hoe dan ook hun rendement wel - en maak je om mij óók maar geen zorgen, hoor ;)

Maar de brave, wellicht ietwat naïeve BAH/LT-belegger: die is toch al 10 jaar flink de klos.
En het is steeds meer de vraag, of deze óóit nog zeg 7% rendement op z'n inleg zal maken, laat staan, dat-ie z'n geld nog terugkrijgt.

Met de gelukkige zekerheid voor de vette bonus van het MT/RvC, dat die 18.40 vóór juni 2010 vroeger of later wel op het bord gekomen zal zijn: zó slim zijn ze wel.

Als het echte kerels zijn, dan verdelen ze die bonussen onder de BAH Piet de Aandeelhouders van het eerste uur.

Maar ik vrees dat...

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haydar81 schreef:

meest trieste aandeel waar ik in oooit heb gehandeld, eind van het jaar ben ik eruit

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josti5 schreef:

[quote=rolof]
[quote=haydar81]
meest trieste aandeel waar ik in oooit heb gehandeld, eind van het jaar ben ik eruit
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Maar dan wordt het misschien interessant om te kopen.

Groet
Roloff
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Nou, kondig je aankoop-moment dan maar aan!
Wilb zat er op 13.50 zijns inziens (slechts!) 3 cent naast.
In een andere posting geef je aan, in Crucell te willen gaan beleggen, en daarom lijntjes te trekken, hetgeen je intensief doet - waarom als enige Crucell, overigens?
Ergo, nogmaals: jouw meest gunstige aankoop-moment tot en met 31 december: datum, koers:

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maxen schreef:

[quote=ron banged]
another day of underperformance.

Down 2.3% while market about flat.

And yes pumpers, I do post this everyday...but it is not because I am repeating old news or the same opinion.

It is because the stock is down, and underperforms...everyday.
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Not quite.

1) You ONLY post this on days when Crucell is actually underperforming the AEX, which is by far NOT everyday.
2 Actually, Crucell OUTperforms the AEX most of the days/weeks/months/years.

So, since I missed your Crucell/AEX comparisons (again!) for the last couple of days when Crucell pps was going up, I figured you may need some help.
I thought it easier to exclude day-to-day fluctuations, and look at Crucell and AEX performance for the last weeks (roughly the period when you were (claiming) keeping track):

1 - day Crucell +3.1% AEX -1.9% Crucell outperforms AEX with 5.0%
1-week Crucell +5.7% AEX -3.1% Crucell outperforms AEX with 8.8%
2-week Crucell +1.2% AEX -6.4% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.6%
3-week Crucell +0.0% AEX -7.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.7%
4-week Crucell -2.3% AEX -4.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 2.2%

For good measure, since I’m more interested in long-term comparisons, here's a bonus:

½ year Crucell -5.0% AEX +19.1% Crucell underperforms AEX with 24.1%
1 year Crucell +38.8% AEX +7.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 31.3%
5 year Crucell +75.1% AEX -10.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 85.8%
9 year Crucell -4.8% AEX -56.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 51.7%

Now please would you, from now on, perform your self-imposed task yourself by posting the Crucell outperformance data on a daily basis?

Thanks in advance,

your humble assistant,
Maxen.

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ron banged schreef:

[quote=maxen]
[quote=ron banged]
another day of underperformance.

Down 2.3% while market about flat.

And yes pumpers, I do post this everyday...but it is not because I am repeating old news or the same opinion.

It is because the stock is down, and underperforms...everyday.
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Not quite.

1) You ONLY post this on days when Crucell is actually underperforming the AEX, which is by far NOT everyday.
2 Actually, Crucell OUTperforms the AEX most of the days/weeks/months/years.

So, since I missed your Crucell/AEX comparisons (again!) for the last couple of days when Crucell pps was going up, I figured you may need some help.
I thought it easier to exclude day-to-day fluctuations, and look at Crucell and AEX performance for the last weeks (roughly the period when you were (claiming) keeping track):

1 - day Crucell +3.1% AEX -1.9% Crucell outperforms AEX with 5.0%
1-week Crucell +5.7% AEX -3.1% Crucell outperforms AEX with 8.8%
2-week Crucell +1.2% AEX -6.4% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.6%
3-week Crucell +0.0% AEX -7.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.7%
4-week Crucell -2.3% AEX -4.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 2.2%

For good measure, since I’m more interested in long-term comparisons, here's a bonus:

½ year Crucell -5.0% AEX +19.1% Crucell underperforms AEX with 24.1%
1 year Crucell +38.8% AEX +7.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 31.3%
5 year Crucell +75.1% AEX -10.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 85.8%
9 year Crucell -4.8% AEX -56.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 51.7%

Now please would you, from now on, perform your self-imposed task yourself by posting the Crucell outperformance data on a daily basis?

Thanks in advance,

your humble assistant,
Maxen.

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Stock has underperformed the market severely...by 5% in the last couple of days.

Face it...they screwed the pooch again...Two earnings in a row.

Missed revenues, missed earnings and missed margins.

Would have been worse except they pulled another 8 million in reverse impairment out of their ass.

They will barely make the 20% this year, and they sold the future of the company to J+J so they could play with the numbers next year to "prove" what a great job they are doing by tacking on a "bogus" 5 million euro here and there to make the numbers look better than they are.

Brus is an albatross...time to throw him overboard. or at the very least give them no more shares to squander.

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Hearts23 schreef:

[quote=haydar81]
meest trieste aandeel waar ik in oooit heb gehandeld, eind van het jaar ben ik eruit
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Handelt zeker nog niet zo lang ? :)

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ron banged schreef:

[quote=maxen]
...
So, since I missed your Crucell/AEX comparisons (again!) for the last couple of days when Crucell pps was going up, I figured you may need some help.
I thought it easier to exclude day-to-day fluctuations, and look at Crucell and AEX performance for the last weeks (roughly the period when you were (claiming) keeping track):

1 - day Crucell +3.1% AEX -1.9% Crucell outperforms AEX with 5.0%
1-week Crucell +5.7% AEX -3.1% Crucell outperforms AEX with 8.8%
2-week Crucell +1.2% AEX -6.4% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.6%
3-week Crucell +0.0% AEX -7.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.7%
4-week Crucell -2.3% AEX -4.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 2.2%

For good measure, since I’m more interested in long-term comparisons, here's a bonus:

½ year Crucell -5.0% AEX +19.1% Crucell underperforms AEX with 24.1%
1 year Crucell +38.8% AEX +7.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 31.3%
5 year Crucell +75.1% AEX -10.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 85.8%
9 year Crucell -4.8% AEX -56.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 51.7%
...
your humble assistant,
Maxen.
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And besides...do you even know how to do a comparison chart...those figures aren't anywhere near correct for the 1 week, 2 week, 3 week and 4 week comparison. Please, go to chart school before you blather again.

Best
T

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maxen schreef:

[quote=ron banged]
[quote=maxen]
...
So, since I missed your Crucell/AEX comparisons (again!) for the last couple of days when Crucell pps was going up, I figured you may need some help.
I thought it easier to exclude day-to-day fluctuations, and look at Crucell and AEX performance for the last weeks (roughly the period when you were (claiming) keeping track):

1 - day Crucell +3.1% AEX -1.9% Crucell outperforms AEX with 5.0%
1-week Crucell +5.7% AEX -3.1% Crucell outperforms AEX with 8.8%
2-week Crucell +1.2% AEX -6.4% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.6%
3-week Crucell +0.0% AEX -7.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 7.7%
4-week Crucell -2.3% AEX -4.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 2.2%

For good measure, since I’m more interested in long-term comparisons, here's a bonus:

½ year Crucell -5.0% AEX +19.1% Crucell underperforms AEX with 24.1%
1 year Crucell +38.8% AEX +7.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 31.3%
5 year Crucell +75.1% AEX -10.7% Crucell outperforms AEX with 85.8%
9 year Crucell -4.8% AEX -56.5% Crucell outperforms AEX with 51.7%
...
your humble assistant,
Maxen.
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And besides...do you even know how to do a comparison chart...those figures aren't anywhere near correct for the 1 week, 2 week, 3 week and 4 week comparison. Please, go to chart school before you blather again.

Best
T
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See attached for the numbers used in the comparison, originally posted on 11/05/09 10.34am.
Please point out what is incorrect. If you cannot, that would leave you, Ron Blather, as the mother-of-all-blatherers....

Greetings,
M